Hey Mr. Green,
Is an electric car really more efficient than a hybrid getting 50-plus miles per gallon running on gas? How efficient (and green) can it be to charge an electric car with natural gas or coal-based electricity, when we lose roughly 66 percent of the original energy in generation and transmission? –Keith in Boston
Hey Keith,
Once a gas-powered car gets around 45 to 50 miles per gallon, the energy it consumes decreases to about the same amount of energy needed to propel an electric vehicle, or EV, of the same size. But as you indicate, that’s no reason to get all cheerful and start believing that EVs or super-efficient gas cars will save the world. They won’t. Alas, they might even hasten our ruin by promoting the illusion that more-efficient cars are “good for the environment.” I don’t care how many times T. Boone Pickens comes on TV to peddle this fantasy—he’s wrong. The best you can say about the most efficient car is that it is less of an environmental menace than a gas-guzzler.
Now if you must have a car, an EV is the best choice. But this does not absolve EVs from the terrible environmental damage that will continue as long as cars remain our primary mode of transportation, instead of what they should be: neat toys for special excursions, racing, and antique shows and sites for torrid romantic encounters. If you want to find out why, read on.
EVs are more efficient than most of today’s gas-powered cars. An internal combustion engine loses a lot of its energy in gasoline to heat and friction. Since electric motors are highly efficient, up to 95 percent of the electrical energy put into them can be converted to torque. But as you note, making that electricity in the first place is a different proposition. You get much less energy out of an electric dynamo than you put into it: Only about 35 percent of the fossil-fuel energy burned to run a typical generator emerges as electrical energy. An additional 7 percent of the electrical energy itself can be lost in transmission , and another 10 to 20 percent is lost in charging an EV’s batteries. (Some new "combined cycle" dynamos do recapture heat that is lost in a conventional generator, so their efficiency is as high as 50 to 60 percent. )
EVs would be an even better choice if their power came from clean renewable sources like wind or solar. But it will be a long time before we have cars running exclusively on renewables, and we don’t yet understand the full environmental impact of building enough non-fossil-fuel sources of energy to power a few hundred million EVs.
There are several other advantages to EVs. First, it’s easier for authorities to curb emissions at the smokestacks of a couple thousand power plants than at the tailpipes of a massive fleet of automobiles. Second, electric cars need a lot less lubrication than gasoline engines, which all living creatures should appreciate because more than 340 million gallons of used motor oil get dumped into the environment every year--a hellacious source of pollution and damage to wildlife. A lot of toxic oil simply seeps out of cars, creating the greasy pools and splotches seen in many parking lots.
Now to the specifics of your question: How efficient are EVs when you account for energy lost from power plant to motor? A 3,000-pound electric vehicle like Toyota’s RAV4 uses about 0.2 kilowatt-hours per mile. That's equivalent to 682 British thermal units, or Btu, a common energy measurement that lets us compare different fuels. If you get that energy from a fossil-fuel-fired power plant, only 34 percent of the original input becomes electrical energy—the other 66 percent is lost in the generation process. So it takes about 2,000 Btu to get 0.2 kilowatt-hours. But because transmission and charging the battery can eat up 15 to 20 percent of the original electricity, you'll need at least another 300 Btu to generate enough electricity to make up for the loss. That means moving the RAV4 one mile requires a total fossil-fuel input of about 2,300 Btu.
How do gas-powered cars stack up? A gallon of gas is equivalent to 124,290 Btu—so a 25-mpg car uses 4,970 Btu per mile, nearly twice the energy required by its electric counterpart. However, as you imply, if we improve the mileage, the gas-powered car or hybrid comes closer and closer to the EV in terms of energy use. At 40 mpg, it's down to 3,110 Btu. Bump it up to a Prius-like 50 mpg, and, voila, it's about 2,490 Btu per mile—close to the RAV4.
Cost-wise, however, there’s also no comparison. EVs win handily for the simple reason that energy sources used to make electricity are presently a lot cheaper than gasoline, which now costs about six times as much per unit of energy as coal. EV enthusiasts like to boast about how little it costs them to get around, and they’ve got good reason. At $4 a gallon for gas, even a 50-mpg car costs eight cents a mile for fuel. With electricity at 10 to 15 cents per kilowatt-hour, the EV can go that same distance for a piddling 2 to 3 cents a mile.
Sounds fabulous, almost magical, but I find it downright terrifying. We know from bitter, prairie-defiling, forest-ravaging, suburb-expanding, war-begetting experience that when fuel is cheap, people will drive more cars more miles, while developers create more residential enclaves farther from where people work, begetting even more driving.
We know because it has already happened. During the oil crisis of the mid-’70s, we responded by doubling the fuel economy of cars. It was a great technological achievement. However, because of this leap in efficiency, more petroleum was available, which helped keep gas prices down, which in turn pushed up the demand for fuel. This is one reason we now have nearly 115 million more cars and SUVs on the road than in 1975, we drive them 2,400 miles farther each year, and we burn 40 billion more gallons of fuel in them. If we continue in this direction, we will pave more land and sacrifice even more wildlife habitat and farmland to development and more precious urban space to the automobile. It doesn’t matter what power the vehicles use, they are still going to create environmental and social havoc while remaining a public-health menace because of the millions of people injured in car wrecks and the 40,000-plus people killed in highway accidents each year.
Worse yet, if it comes to pass that EVs are propelled by cheap power produced by fossil fuels or nuclear fission or any material--from your discarded plastic furniture to your very own corpse--they could become the vehicle of choice for our continuing ride to oblivion. If new technology allows them to go farther between charges and gives us the accelerative kick we crave, the demand for EVs could skyrocket. And they would derive powerful moral torque from environmental spin: They would be touted as the green solution to pollution, the thinking person’s car, earth-friendly transportation. You can see the ads already: leaf-fringed cars, vehicles driven by smiling endangered species, or illustrations of cars with feet advancing on ever smaller ecological footprints.
The point is that if EVs really boom, there will obviously be a tremendous need for new electric power sources. If this power comes from conventional systems, a lot of new power plants will have to be built, and a massive amount of fossil or nuclear fuel will have to be produced to run them. The environmental impacts that could result from building and supplying these power plants are staggering. Therefore, unless clean sources of alternative power can be developed cheaply and rapidly enough to power EVs, the so-called miracle car could be just another overhyped technological fix that failed to live up to our glorious expectations. (Like ethanol, or nuclear power that was going to be “too cheap to meter.”)
But even if all these clean-power sources could be developed, we have to seriously consider their possible unintended consequences. How many windmills and in whose backyard? How many thousands of square miles of solar panels and in whose favorite retreats? In our blissful fantasies of technological utopia, we ignore such questions and conveniently forget basic laws of physics and economics.
I’m all for electric cars. Bring ’em on. But for godsake let’s get real: Unless we also drive a whole lot less, and create a whole lot more efficient mass transit, EVs might very well compound the huge environmental and human damage we’re already doing with our automobiles.


I have to laugh listening to the nonsensical claim that automobiles are destroying the environment. I would instead suggest that Mr Sierra, who obviously objects to the only clean energy source we have (nuclear)
is instead responsible for global warming by blocking nuclear power development for the past 35 years, leading to coal fired plants that have placed out planet in such peril. Mr Sierra has zero credibility and makes
no logical sense in claiming that electric cars will be powered by fossil fuels in the future.
Contrary to the unbelievably bizarre claim that energy is evil (a product of the leisure suit time era in which Mr Sierra seems to be trapped), our world will always need more and more energy and we have way more than enough clean energy than we could ever possibly use. Mass transit was a
solution advanced decades ago and is makes no more sense today than it did back then. Any good effects from such a massive expense and inconvenience would be very shortlived
and totally pointless - the solution is to provide CLEAN energy, not to simply use less of the dirty variety. There is no possible way that enforced conservation can provide
any kind of a solution - doing without is simply neither acceptable, nor necessary, nor logical. Mr Sierra is simply an authoritarian minded fellow with very muddled ideas that seem more at home in a more technologicaly primitive era.
Posted by: kerry bradshaw | September 03, 2008 at 07:16 AM
I really enjoyed this post and it brings up some really great points about EVs. I have thought about the silliness of using electricity for cars because energy is not reduced but coming from a different energy source than gasoline-powered vehicles. Renewable energy is definitely an answer to EVs but Mr. Green brings up a good point that a change in what type of energy is consumed isn't good enough and does not decrease the demand for roads nor get people thinking about the distance they end up driving (more miles on a high MPG/EV car isn't better just because it's more "efficient"). Reducing energy consumption is the best possible answer. I moved from Arcata, CA, at the beginning of the year. Living in Arcata, I walked just about everywhere, even on wet and cold, dreary days. I love the small-town lifestyle of getting around easily on your bike or feet, being able to buy local produce from your friends or get it from your garden. Moving to San Diego put me in an eco-funk. I drive twenty-two-plus miles round trip for work (fortunately not every day) and "have" to drive to the grocery store, the post office, school, the movies, even framer's market. Seeing all the people alone in cars on my morning commute bothered me and I wondered why people don't car pool (my neighbor works near my work, why couldn't we carpool?). But I realized my schedule is random and often weird hours so carpooling isn't very feasible for me so maybe it's not for a lot of other people. Moving closer to work would make a twenty-two-plus mile trip everyday for my fiancé as I drop him off on the way to my work. I finally found a way I could reduce my driving and I'm even getting in better shape. I recently started school again at a college three or so miles from my house and I have decided to bike to school every day that I have extra time to commute. So far I've made it two days (out of five) and I am glad that my car is stuck in it's parking spot. Sadly, I saw a mere ten or so bikes in an obscure, hard-to-locate bike rack and I am amazed at how many people drive to school. I bet even people who only live a mile away drive. Imagine if everyone could make a choice to have one day they didn't drive or carpooled how much less energy we would use. Or walk or ride your bike one day a week to the store or work. I feel much better being active riding my bike and the environment isn't the only one who benefits. Riding my bike six or so miles in a day makes me drink more water and eat healthier too. It's not just about what you do that impacts the environment, it's about how much you do of it. Maybe we all need refresher on our three Rs.
Posted by: Cerise McLaren | September 04, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Gee what a great idea. Everybody ride bicycles. I wonder what an 18 wheel semi-truck bicycle looks like?
The Sierra Club at it’s best.
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Posted by: carwaterguide | September 17, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Fewer vehicles IS actually the answer. Less consumption - and less isolated consumption. Fewer vehicles would be easier on the enviro all the way around. It's such a radical idea to over-consumers that they have to jump all the way over to the extreme other side and suggest that Mr. Green means no vehicles at all. Bone up on your reading comprehension skills, then use your brain, not just your over-charged emotional battery to respond.
Posted by: Sally | November 05, 2008 at 05:54 PM
i just love the new technology but the electric car is hard to deal with.
Posted by: run your car on water | April 07, 2009 at 09:55 PM
Well, if you really want to support the "green" way, then commuting would be a good answer. It supports the "lesser cars" suggestion. But if you really want to ride a car, then go for the EV, just like what Mr. Green has said.
Posted by: Blake Reina | June 21, 2011 at 08:31 AM
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Posted by: Solar Panels | September 13, 2011 at 06:34 PM
There are a lot of arguments on EVS. I've seen different forums and discussions on the topic, and not one has come to a sensible conclusion. I think discipline on the road is the answer. If drivers find EVs satisfying, the use of these vehicles could proliferate in the future.
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