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hebintn

It is so obvious to me... I love the concept of EVs, BUT.... EVs run on electrons, which are mostly generated by burning coal, which is obtained by bombing mountains in Appalachia leaving behind an environmental disaster that dwarfs all the oil spills. Don't be infantile enough to think all the EVs will run on the windmill on your roof... Ain't gonna happen. EV proponents seem to ignore the fact that we do not have enough clean electrons to keep the lights on much less run a fleet of electron guzzlers. Please, until we can furnish all the needed electrons from clean sources and close down all the coal fired plants and close all the coal mines, lets cool the fervor for EVs to a simmer.

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Among the other Electric cars, my choice is the dramatic Leaf. Nissan Leaf continues its production time to time and providing better vehicles to the market.
This really can be said one tragic Nissan popularity.

Sherry Boschert

Oh, Mr. Green. You've compared apples to oranges. And you've mixed up your arguments so that readers can't see the forest for the trees.

First of all, we all agree we need to get U.S. drivers out of cars and into public transportation. Cars bad. Fewer cars good. No one is arguing with you about that, and that wasn't the question. But environmentalists have known this for at least 50 years. How're we doing on that? So, could you just agree that we need to clean up the cars being driven a.s.a.p. while we also work to provide alternatives to cars?

Secondly, you rant about the efficiency of EVs if energy losses at power plants are included, but you don't do the same well-to-wheels comparison for gasoline-dependent cars. A 30-mpg hybrid isn't a 30-mpg car if you factor in the energy losses involved in refining oil into gasoline and transporting it to the pump and then into the car. If you compare apples to apples, driving on electricity is far, far more efficient than any cars driving on gasoline. And there are plenty of government studies that say so.

In response to hebintn: No, most U.S. electrons do not come from coal. It's less than 50% and declining, as it should. But even on today's approximately 45%-coal grid, driving on electricity is cleaner than driving on gasoline. See Question #2 on my FAQ page for an overview of nearly 50 studies on well-to-wheels emissions of vehicles (many of which include efficiency comparisons):
http://www.sherryboschert.com/FAQ.html#green

I'm about to update that summary (and my website overall), and I can tell you that results of more recent studies don't change the overall conclusions -- plug-in cars are cleaner than gasoline cars.

So there's no need to wait until our electrical grid is completely free of coal to start to reap the benefits of EVs. In fact, if we do wait for that, there will be no hope of slowing global warming. We can't reach the greenhouse gas reduction targets fast enough if we don't rapidly clean up cars, regardless of what else we do.

I'm not "fetishing" EVs, as Mr. Green dismissively suggests. I'm just looking at all the alternatives realistically. Electrification is the only path that offers us a chance to get off of gasoline quickly enough. (And no, it's not a silver bullet -- we need other strategies too -- but let's not pretend that they can have the same impact as EVs as quickly as EVs.) Given that every new car stays on the road for 14-17 years on average (depending on which study you look at), we need to rapidly ramp up the % of plug-in cars in the U.S. and rapidly decrease the % of gas cars sold.

Marlene Henley

Either way has its negative effects. But in deeper view (although it is not good but it is the truth) if there are no negative effects then the process is not balanced. It's like the Yin-yang; we just have to accept that there is nothing perfect in this world. And if we use solar panels to our auto body for a greener repair ride, then ask yourselves: how are panels made and what are they made of? If we really want to protect and save our planet, we have to give up "Technology" not just in Plano or in New York or any major cities but all over the world.

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Kevyn Hagemann

They are indeed a great machine to lessen the damaging pollution other engines excrete to the air. But the makers should focus on the needs of the market. They must also produce more running machines that exceed more than what the people are used to having at hand. It is heart breaking to see our planet like this, but the only way to keep it safe, is to make it healthy again.

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I think the best way to use clean energy is through the installation of solar panels in your home. Not only is this guaranteed to last up to 20 years, but these devices are almost totally recyclable as well so these are value for money investments indeed!

EVsRoll

You are correct that the EV is only as clean as its power source. However, any generalizations regarding electric car charging and pollutants need to be site specific. Conditions can vary greatly from region to region, and utility to utility. Check your local utility for pollution levels before passing by an EV. You might also try an eBike....15 cents per day!

Details here: http://www.evsroll.com/Electric_Car_Pollution.html

EVsRock!

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